In Solidarity w/Crunk Feminist Collective: I, too, know what it means to date Black Men as a Black Feminist
Wow, for me this quote is “church” as my high school mentee would say. Meaning, this quote is the truth on the level of canonical truth. I cannot count on my fingers, toes, and follicles of hair the number of black men I’ve dated who have placed me in what Crunktastic calls the “mind f*u$k” category or as I have come to refer to it as the mental masturbation category. Meaning, [in your best non-British intellectually laced Idris Alba’s voice] “I, black man, will date you, black feminist, for a set amount of time . . . give or take three months . . . slowly draining you, my sweet ebony Amazon, of your bookish, but devilishly witty comments . . . then I, black man, will slowly nibble at your “cute” feminist push backs about my male privilege then after that I will marry La’Keisha because she has relaxed hair, childbearing hips, believes in religious “submission” and will happily keep my house and cook my dinner.”
Okay, I know this is a caricature of the some of the men I’ve dated, but the truth remains the same as Crunktastic humorously and facetious writes that, “the confidence which [black feminism] . . . instills in women concerning their intellect and the often radical politics it causes us to espouse, can very often throw a monkey wrench in one’s dating game.” And, I would go even further and say that it throws hammers, nails, the kitchen sink, and, yes, even dry wall into the mix.
You see, it is one thing to part ways with a man who you know is the progenitor of patriarchy or to part ways with a man who you know only last night read bell hooks’ Feminism is for Everybody: Passionate Politics, but now spits black male feminist game as if he had written the book. However, it is a searing and at times palpable pain to part ways with a man who you have shared intellectual and physical intimacy with who admits he does not fully understand what feminism is, but who marvels at your commitment to it and your desire to empower girls and women with it. But, his sense of being enraptured by your feminism, your passion, and your ambition has a very short shelf life. Sure, he will date you for a time and yes, he will f*$k you too.
But, he won’t make a long-term commitment because his sense of enrapture . . . of being excited by you, black feminist, does not settle the day to day gender politics or what Sheftall and Cole refer to as “gender talk” of what it means to live with a woman who daily if not minute by minute refuses to abide by traditional feminine hetero-norms . . . a woman who prefers to spend her time reading books about women in power and debating current issues of the day . . . a woman who chooses not to have a child until her book is printed . . . a woman who prefers great intellectual conversation as a prelude to great sex . . . a woman who prefers the comforts of flat shoes because high heels impede movement . . . a woman who uses commercials objectifying women and people’s Freudian slips about girls as teachable moments about sexism . . . a woman who does not yield to patriarchal statements like—“I am the man of the house . . . I wear the pants . . . You are the wind beneath my wing” . . . a woman who is not impressed by the money you have or the length of your third arm (well, maybe . . . kidding) . . . ultimately, a woman who chooses not to make her partner the center of her universe.
Yes, he will be hard pressed to make a commitment to such a woman because she is not typical or conventional. She will not bluster and reconstitute his hegemonic hetero-masculinity for him. It ain’t happening.
So, given all of this and the honesty of Crunktastic’s blog, I am somewhat shocked that certain black feminists are upset with her story. There appears to be a quiet storm brewing between The Crunk Feminist Collective’s blog and The Beautiful Struggler’s blog, where sister blogger, Crunktastic, personal, but profoundly humorous political story of what it means to be a black feminist dating heterosexual men is under intellectual scrutiny by a fellow feminist who takes Crunktastic’s facetious charge against black feminism to heart and writes a blog about how men are “damned if they do and damned if they don’t” diatribe.
Even though, I agree with the Beautiful Struggler’s interpretation of the sexual politics of academia—“what black feminist and non-feminist alike more often encounter with our male colleagues is unwanted sexual advances that place us frequently in positions of disempowerment . . . we get labeled men-haters. However, I disagree with her general interpretation of Crunktastic’s blog. For the Beautiful Struggler, the issue of fucking is the litmus test in determining if men are “using” women. It is inconceivable for her to think that men can exploit feminists for their intellectual critical thinking prowess because she states, “I refuse to think that in the history of heterosexuality a man has ever said to himself, “I would totally bag dat is she wasn’t so SMART.”
Crunktastic’s blog is not about f*$king or wanting a sexual pursuit. It isn’t. What Crunktastic lays her finger on is the unreciprocated exchange between black men and black feminists where black men receive something—enlightenment, sexual excitement from new ideas, conscious rising—from us simply by being in relationship with us. We are not packaging ourselves to sale. We are simply who we are, but, there is a “taking” that is transpiring without our consent that occurs every time I have a 5 hour coffee date with Brother X who I have been dating for the last 3 months. He is getting something from me. Yes, he is getting the drawls, but he is also getting what Crunktastic refers to as “mind-f*cks.” Meaning, an inner consciousness within him is awakened by dating a woman who challenges him to be an unconventional man because she whether knowingly or unknowingly pushes against all the things he has been told about women . . . they are weak, they are dependent, they are irrational, and the list goes on. A part of him is growing . . . his mind, and, yes, even his penis.
However, what is insidious about “mind-f*cks” and mental masturbation is that it leaves me drained and unfulfilled because often than not he chooses to make a life commitment with another woman who is a non-feminist because he is not willing to make the “day to day” concessions of living with me meaning he would have to let go of his male privilege, daily. Heck, in his eyes it is okay to pretend to do it or to actually do it while dating, but it is another thing to have to do it for a life-time.
Matter of fact, just yesterday, my godfather who is married to a black feminist says, “Men do not know what it means to live with a smart woman let alone a black feminist woman. Mind you, we find them intoxicating intellectually and sexually, but we have no the idea what it means to live with them. That a woman can spend her entire day reading and not running behind a man is foreign concept to men . . . and it literally takes an unconventional man to love a black feminist.” And, he is right. But, what he also admits is that there is something liberating about being with such a woman that, “Iron sharpens iron. I will make a better man out of you.”
So, the issue is not about finding men to fuck us. That’s easy. The issue is about the unreciprocated exchange that happens when black feminist date men who sample if not gulp our feminist critical thinking exegeses and leave. To be quite honest, I am “sick and tired” of being taken from or giving and not receiving. I am not the Black Feminist Messiah. I was not created solely for black men to see the fallacy and limitedness of having to perform everyday their hegemonic hetero-masculinity. I am not the Black Feminist Savior who says, “Go, black man and sin no more . . . marry a non-black feminist and remember what I have taught you.” I am not that giving. I need an equal return of what has been taken from me or that which I have freely given to black men I’ve dated. I need a return and deserve a return.
So, I applaud Crunktastic for writing her blog because it is a conversation many heterosexual black feminist have amongst ourselves, but rarely publicly admit unless your bell hooks. And the reason for our silence is another blog entirely.
Add age to the black feminist/womanist woman who wants to date, and it gets dicier. Guess I’ll have to talk about that 50+ challenge.
Add age to the black feminist/womanist woman who wants to date, and it gets dicier. Guess I’ll have to talk about that 50+ challenge.
@Valerie,
Yes, I think you are right that it becomes more complex with age. And I look forward to reading your essay about it.
@Valerie,
Yes, I think you are right that it becomes more complex with age. And I look forward to reading your essay about it.
Interesting comments on all fronts beginning with the first entry and current reply. Not quite sure why but none of these comments resonate with me. Seems to me that both black feminist and black men have failed to communicate and launch. Want someone to really understand you? Well, why not say what’s really on your mind. And, the use of sexual metaphors of is very telling…in fact more telling than much of what is being argued. In a word…ya’ll are just to full of yourselves! Go open a school, start a real activist movement, or fight for injustice the holla!!
Interesting comments on all fronts beginning with the first entry and current reply. Not quite sure why but none of these comments resonate with me. Seems to me that both black feminist and black men have failed to communicate and launch. Want someone to really understand you? Well, why not say what’s really on your mind. And, the use of sexual metaphors of is very telling…in fact more telling than much of what is being argued. In a word…ya’ll are just to full of yourselves! Go open a school, start a real activist movement, or fight for injustice the holla!!
Ha!
Nice.
Ha!
Nice.
Bring the fiyah, sis! Love it.
Bring the fiyah, sis! Love it.
Yo D. Truth, i wouldn’t have said it exactly like you said it, but there i have to agree with you! GET OVER YOURSELVES. “Unreciprocated exchange” makes it sound like she’s dating to teach. No one wants their partner to teach down to them.
Yo D. Truth, i wouldn’t have said it exactly like you said it, but there i have to agree with you! GET OVER YOURSELVES. “Unreciprocated exchange” makes it sound like she’s dating to teach. No one wants their partner to teach down to them.
loved this, Fallon. and, looking at at least two of the comments, i’d say that reading is certainly not fundamental for everyone…
womp womp for the misreadings…
loved this, Fallon. and, looking at at least two of the comments, i’d say that reading is certainly not fundamental for everyone…
womp womp for the misreadings…
“A quiet storm brewing”
Um.
CFC had a post. My guest author posted a response that challenged some of what was said in the piece and I, too, raised some questions in the comments section. Readers of both sites discussed and engaged. While there were some hurtful insults and poor word choices made on both sides of the fence, I would hardly call it a “storm” or a beef. I am a fan of Brittany’s and have been for some time.
Somehow, by dissenting with some of our feminist sistren, Sai and I have now become allies with patriarchy and started a storm? Really?
I don’t think you, Brittany, Sai or anyone else has the right to say “My dating experience is the definitive dating experience for Black feminists”. Furthermore, I think we are travelling dangerous territory when any possible disagreement with other feminists causes you to call for their membership card.
Look at the title of this post: “In Solidarity With”. Um. What? Way to turn such a beautiful word in to tired jingoism by using it to play up this blog war or battle or quiet storm or whatever you seem to think this is.
It is obvious that you are a very intelligent woman, but there is an air of meanness with which this message was delivered. And an air of arrogance about your intelligence that isn’t appealing to me as a straight female comrade. How it plays with other women or men, I can’t say. But I just can’t get past this feeling that you feel that somehow, you are better than these men we speak of. An “awakening”? Does he awaken things in you? What is your role to these men? Do you want to be a sister-lover or have you charged yourself with their salvation? Your politics may not be as off-putting to an open-minded brother as your arrogance (as it appears from this particular post).
Now, I understand the burden of enlightenment (as we perceive it, because one woman’s enlightenment is surely another woman’s delusion) can be heavy. It can be a polarizing, lonely weight at times. However, I think you are over-hyping the misery of feminism. Do I worry that knowing what I know and feeling how I feel might pose some challenge to my ability to find a mate? Sure. Good men are hard to find. “Unconventional” ones, even harder. But this characterization of the Black feminist as perpetually suffering and missing out on love because she has made herself this martyr for the cause and is being left for non-Black feminists…um…what?
So, you have a conversation of dating where grad school tips and “enlightening” are discussed, but flirting, body language, mutual attraction and laughter are not raised at all. And when someone raises those points, they are “reifying the patriarchy” and are faux feminists. Because every feminist sister MUST have an identical experience and set of ideals. And if you do or say anything that may be viewed as a defense of men, then you are out the club.
I do feel that some very valid criticisms and explorations came from this conversation and that it was a productive one. However, I feel that this post was not a part of that experience. There came a point at the end of the comments section for both Brittany and Saida’s posts where it seemed that folks realized the need not to limit feminist dating to one experience. This post came in and pretty much went back to the “men are going to undoubtedly use you for your magical powers of enlightenment, but then marry someone who is not as smart as you.”
Creating Afro-feminist elitism does nothing to remove us from the margins. Even your use of the name La’Keisha was steeped in nastiness. And a relaxer? Huh? Yes, I get that it was meant to be satirical, but is it cool to push sisters with “hood” names and straight hair under the bus? Because, of course, you can’t be a real fighter against patriarchy unless you first fight your relaxer and, if your parents failed to give you one, take a “cultural” name.
I see solidarity in this post, but I don’t feel a spirit of sisterhood.
“A quiet storm brewing”
Um.
CFC had a post. My guest author posted a response that challenged some of what was said in the piece and I, too, raised some questions in the comments section. Readers of both sites discussed and engaged. While there were some hurtful insults and poor word choices made on both sides of the fence, I would hardly call it a “storm” or a beef. I am a fan of Brittany’s and have been for some time.
Somehow, by dissenting with some of our feminist sistren, Sai and I have now become allies with patriarchy and started a storm? Really?
I don’t think you, Brittany, Sai or anyone else has the right to say “My dating experience is the definitive dating experience for Black feminists”. Furthermore, I think we are travelling dangerous territory when any possible disagreement with other feminists causes you to call for their membership card.
Look at the title of this post: “In Solidarity With”. Um. What? Way to turn such a beautiful word in to tired jingoism by using it to play up this blog war or battle or quiet storm or whatever you seem to think this is.
It is obvious that you are a very intelligent woman, but there is an air of meanness with which this message was delivered. And an air of arrogance about your intelligence that isn’t appealing to me as a straight female comrade. How it plays with other women or men, I can’t say. But I just can’t get past this feeling that you feel that somehow, you are better than these men we speak of. An “awakening”? Does he awaken things in you? What is your role to these men? Do you want to be a sister-lover or have you charged yourself with their salvation? Your politics may not be as off-putting to an open-minded brother as your arrogance (as it appears from this particular post).
Now, I understand the burden of enlightenment (as we perceive it, because one woman’s enlightenment is surely another woman’s delusion) can be heavy. It can be a polarizing, lonely weight at times. However, I think you are over-hyping the misery of feminism. Do I worry that knowing what I know and feeling how I feel might pose some challenge to my ability to find a mate? Sure. Good men are hard to find. “Unconventional” ones, even harder. But this characterization of the Black feminist as perpetually suffering and missing out on love because she has made herself this martyr for the cause and is being left for non-Black feminists…um…what?
So, you have a conversation of dating where grad school tips and “enlightening” are discussed, but flirting, body language, mutual attraction and laughter are not raised at all. And when someone raises those points, they are “reifying the patriarchy” and are faux feminists. Because every feminist sister MUST have an identical experience and set of ideals. And if you do or say anything that may be viewed as a defense of men, then you are out the club.
I do feel that some very valid criticisms and explorations came from this conversation and that it was a productive one. However, I feel that this post was not a part of that experience. There came a point at the end of the comments section for both Brittany and Saida’s posts where it seemed that folks realized the need not to limit feminist dating to one experience. This post came in and pretty much went back to the “men are going to undoubtedly use you for your magical powers of enlightenment, but then marry someone who is not as smart as you.”
Creating Afro-feminist elitism does nothing to remove us from the margins. Even your use of the name La’Keisha was steeped in nastiness. And a relaxer? Huh? Yes, I get that it was meant to be satirical, but is it cool to push sisters with “hood” names and straight hair under the bus? Because, of course, you can’t be a real fighter against patriarchy unless you first fight your relaxer and, if your parents failed to give you one, take a “cultural” name.
I see solidarity in this post, but I don’t feel a spirit of sisterhood.
PS- I apologize for the grammatical errors and the fact that the next to last paragraph is incomplete. I’m sleepy.
PS- I apologize for the grammatical errors and the fact that the next to last paragraph is incomplete. I’m sleepy.
“Look at the title of this post: “In Solidarity With”. Um. What? Way to turn such a beautiful word in to tired jingoism by using it to play up this blog war or battle or quiet storm or whatever you seem to think this is.” -@sistertoldja
Yes. there are so many items in this post that completely exceed the original CFC post and actually misrepresent it to a fault. This is not solidarity with those ideas, this is an sleight of hand to turns those ideas into “presto!” a judgmental rant about how feminists are better/smarter/more worthy of love/doing more to ‘awaken’ our race, etc than non-feminists and the illiterate rubes who have the audacity to choose them over us.
@ashon to say that the only way to disagree with this article is to have misread it is insulting to literacy. I read it thoroughly and disagree thoroughly.
“Meaning, an inner consciousness within him is awakened by dating a woman who challenges him to be an unconventional man because she whether knowingly or unknowingly pushes against all the things he has been told about women”
Are you being serious? You’re taking credit for someone else’s consciousness?? I have to agree with the posters who urged you to get over yourself.
“Look at the title of this post: “In Solidarity With”. Um. What? Way to turn such a beautiful word in to tired jingoism by using it to play up this blog war or battle or quiet storm or whatever you seem to think this is.” -@sistertoldja
Yes. there are so many items in this post that completely exceed the original CFC post and actually misrepresent it to a fault. This is not solidarity with those ideas, this is an sleight of hand to turns those ideas into “presto!” a judgmental rant about how feminists are better/smarter/more worthy of love/doing more to ‘awaken’ our race, etc than non-feminists and the illiterate rubes who have the audacity to choose them over us.
@ashon to say that the only way to disagree with this article is to have misread it is insulting to literacy. I read it thoroughly and disagree thoroughly.
“Meaning, an inner consciousness within him is awakened by dating a woman who challenges him to be an unconventional man because she whether knowingly or unknowingly pushes against all the things he has been told about women”
Are you being serious? You’re taking credit for someone else’s consciousness?? I have to agree with the posters who urged you to get over yourself.
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