Why Denzel Washington will NEVER be in a Tyler Perry Movie

Yes, I agree with Spike Lee 100% on this issue. Tyler Perry sells coonery and buffoonery and get’s paid. His excuse is because he makes so much money and employs black actors, this justifies his simplistic and stereotypical brand of comedy. But real talk, big time crack and heroin dealers make a lot of money too, and keep money in the pockets of black folks that work them corners, but it doesn’t excuse their negative impact on our community. Big evil corporations like Wal Mart make a lot of money and employ a lot of people, but they flood the market with cheap goods squeezing out smaller companies that make quality products that are actually worth purchasing.

Spike Lee will go down in history as one of the most important film directors of our time. Not only for his certified classics like “Malcolm X” and “Bamboozled“, but also because he was never afraid to take on issues that made us uncomfortable like Willie Lynch (School Daze), racism (Do the Right Thing) and interracial relationships (Jungle Fever). That doesn’t even include his two documentaries on Hurricane Katrina, “When The Levees Broke” and “If God Is Willing and Da Creek Don’t Rise“, and one of my personal favorite movies, “Inside Man“.

Tyler Perry has an incredible personal story. I am extremely happy to see a brother go from being homeless to being a multi-millionaire that owns a jet and a movie studio. In fact, Tyler’s journey would make his best movie by far! But we haven’t seen that picture, just the same tired formula with Perry rocking a wig and a dress. Perry will go down in history as a guy that made a whole lot of money making a bunch plays that he made into crappy movies and TV shows. Not to mention that he produced “Precious” and “For Colored Girls” two of the worst depictions of black people to ever hit the big screen. Hey Tyler, I got a screenplay about a black man who’s an illiterate, child molesting, serial killer that drowns puppies in his spare time. I think it would be perfect for your next movie.

There’s a reason you will never and I mean EVER see Denzel Washington in a Tyler Perry movie.

Me and my brother fellow MC, Tahir Jahi, recently addressed the negative portrayal of Black men and women in our song “Remote Control” featuring some sobering words from Spike Lee. Let me know what yall think.

  • carl weston

    You gotta step to the black fools who find this junk entertaining!

  • carl weston

    You gotta step to the black fools who find this junk entertaining!

  • Sean P. Miller

    You know it is truly hard to be a black artist of any type. You get bashed from both sides. Take “Hustle and Flow” for example. This was a good film but people like Cathy Hughes (Radio and TV One) bashed this movie as well as the Academy Award winning song “It’s hard out here for a pimp”. On the flip side many people have bashed The Boondocks for its use of four letter words by little kids and its use of the word nigger. Therefore, being a black artist you can win for loosing.

  • Sean P. Miller

    You know it is truly hard to be a black artist of any type. You get bashed from both sides. Take “Hustle and Flow” for example. This was a good film but people like Cathy Hughes (Radio and TV One) bashed this movie as well as the Academy Award winning song “It’s hard out here for a pimp”. On the flip side many people have bashed The Boondocks for its use of four letter words by little kids and its use of the word nigger. Therefore, being a black artist you can win for loosing.

  • Tony-Brooklyn, NY

    This saddens my heart, both Spike and Tyler bring their own brand of information to serve our community in different ways, yet very effectively.

    Spike being a person who we would identify as artistic should never disrespect another who too is just as artistic. He is coming across as one who is hating, because of the success that Tyler has and is achieving. He just as well should begin to call great actresses like Cicely Tyson or Maya Angelou the same names, because they are regulars in Tyler’s movies. So I beg to differ from all other’s opinions. I respect Tyler and his work and have lost a lot of respect for Spike as he is guilty of that which he professes about!

  • Tony-Brooklyn, NY

    This saddens my heart, both Spike and Tyler bring their own brand of information to serve our community in different ways, yet very effectively.

    Spike being a person who we would identify as artistic should never disrespect another who too is just as artistic. He is coming across as one who is hating, because of the success that Tyler has and is achieving. He just as well should begin to call great actresses like Cicely Tyson or Maya Angelou the same names, because they are regulars in Tyler’s movies. So I beg to differ from all other’s opinions. I respect Tyler and his work and have lost a lot of respect for Spike as he is guilty of that which he professes about!

  • My personal opinion is this: I think Tyler Perry’s movies are funny. I think he shows how some black families are and it is intresting and funny to see that but, the same goes if he was mexican,korean,chinese,italian,germany,english any kind of races. I think we as people love to see other peoples family drama and how the race is different from our own and find some of the things others do as funny. Personally I think Spike Lee has made many movies that are good but some are very violent and real and that is scary.
    Everyone has there own vision. I am happy he is successful and has over come abuse and drama from his battered up bringing. I think at times people spend to much time judging instead of supporting others.

  • My personal opinion is this: I think Tyler Perry’s movies are funny. I think he shows how some black families are and it is intresting and funny to see that but, the same goes if he was mexican,korean,chinese,italian,germany,english any kind of races. I think we as people love to see other peoples family drama and how the race is different from our own and find some of the things others do as funny. Personally I think Spike Lee has made many movies that are good but some are very violent and real and that is scary.
    Everyone has there own vision. I am happy he is successful and has over come abuse and drama from his battered up bringing. I think at times people spend to much time judging instead of supporting others.

  • SoJa

    Yeah!! Spike Lee was the creator behind some recent liquor ads hanging high on billboards in the black communities, especially. what sayeth you…and I have yet to see one of Tyler Perry’s movie. It’s about the dollar, bottomline.

  • SoJa

    Yeah!! Spike Lee was the creator behind some recent liquor ads hanging high on billboards in the black communities, especially. what sayeth you…and I have yet to see one of Tyler Perry’s movie. It’s about the dollar, bottomline.

  • SoJa

    I have respect for both artists. Right now Spike Lee is hating. He needs to stop his foolishness.

  • SoJa

    I have respect for both artists. Right now Spike Lee is hating. He needs to stop his foolishness.

  • Monica Brown

    Hey Mr Jasiri X Tyler Perry might have his unique way of expressing himself through his art. In the meantime while all the haters like Spike Lee and Denzel Washington are focused in on how his message is delivered, they are missing the big picture. Each one of his movies contain a valuable lesson to be learned. Have the haters ever thought that this is how he is getting the attention of those that need the lesson.

  • Monica Brown

    Hey Mr Jasiri X Tyler Perry might have his unique way of expressing himself through his art. In the meantime while all the haters like Spike Lee and Denzel Washington are focused in on how his message is delivered, they are missing the big picture. Each one of his movies contain a valuable lesson to be learned. Have the haters ever thought that this is how he is getting the attention of those that need the lesson.

  • Mike Morris

    Wake up everybody, no more sleeping in bed, no more backward thinking, time for thinking ahead. Spike lives on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. NUFF SAID.

  • Mike Morris

    Wake up everybody, no more sleeping in bed, no more backward thinking, time for thinking ahead. Spike lives on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. NUFF SAID.

  • Mike Morris

    The bottom line is Tyler Perry is as much, if not “more” of a filmmaker than Spike. Spike was to be the only person of color to represent people of color. Most people use “color” to their own advantage….ask Spike who his neighbors are?

  • Mike Morris

    The bottom line is Tyler Perry is as much, if not “more” of a filmmaker than Spike. Spike was to be the only person of color to represent people of color. Most people use “color” to their own advantage….ask Spike who his neighbors are?

  • jasiri x

    It’s so funny to me whenever someone speaks truth we don’t agree with but can’t refute all we can do is call them a hater lol

  • jasiri x

    It’s so funny to me whenever someone speaks truth we don’t agree with but can’t refute all we can do is call them a hater lol

  • jasiri x

    Mike you win for most ridiculous comment. Tyler is a better filmmaker than Spike because of where he lives lol

  • jasiri x

    Mike you win for most ridiculous comment. Tyler is a better filmmaker than Spike because of where he lives lol

  • jasiri x

    Monica, so should we ignore the coonery and buffoonery cause he puts in a lesson?

  • jasiri x

    Monica, so should we ignore the coonery and buffoonery cause he puts in a lesson?

  • Teacher

    No one is perfect. But let the records show that Spike is responsible for the careers of MANY people of color getting in unions and working in Hollywood. Tyler fired his black writing staff (some who I know personally) when they tried to get health benefits and he hired a head white writer. (Search Open Letter to Tyler Perry online for story) He also has a horrendous reputation for the way he treats his crew on his plays. He has enough money to pay his staff and hire a real screenwriter. He should respect everyone who works for him, he could do that for FREE. All his movies have the same story over and over again and I won’t even comment on Colored Girls. I’m not the biggest Spike fan but he has consistently spoken his mind from day one. And that I can respect. I am not interested in black men in dresses. Not Tyler, Martin, Jamie, or anyone else. (Dave Chapelle refused.) Tyler has the power to present strong images of black men but never does. It’s great he shows strong women but they never have any dimension. All they do is tell the man off in the end the movie and get a new one. I will put my dollars toward films that tell new stories and help to break the stereotypes that color the way we are seen WORLDWIDE. Medea sets us back and wouldn’t matter so much if we had a diversity of films. But we don’t. So until we do anyone who calls themselves a “Filmmaker” should put help create diversity instead of more of the the same.

  • Teacher

    No one is perfect. But let the records show that Spike is responsible for the careers of MANY people of color getting in unions and working in Hollywood. Tyler fired his black writing staff (some who I know personally) when they tried to get health benefits and he hired a head white writer. (Search Open Letter to Tyler Perry online for story) He also has a horrendous reputation for the way he treats his crew on his plays. He has enough money to pay his staff and hire a real screenwriter. He should respect everyone who works for him, he could do that for FREE. All his movies have the same story over and over again and I won’t even comment on Colored Girls. I’m not the biggest Spike fan but he has consistently spoken his mind from day one. And that I can respect. I am not interested in black men in dresses. Not Tyler, Martin, Jamie, or anyone else. (Dave Chapelle refused.) Tyler has the power to present strong images of black men but never does. It’s great he shows strong women but they never have any dimension. All they do is tell the man off in the end the movie and get a new one. I will put my dollars toward films that tell new stories and help to break the stereotypes that color the way we are seen WORLDWIDE. Medea sets us back and wouldn’t matter so much if we had a diversity of films. But we don’t. So until we do anyone who calls themselves a “Filmmaker” should put help create diversity instead of more of the the same.

  • FreedomThinkers

    Great piece Jasiri! The only commentator making sense is “Teacher”…brilliant observations.

  • FreedomThinkers

    Great piece Jasiri! The only commentator making sense is “Teacher”…brilliant observations.

  • AnothaLeftSista

    I’m old enough to remember Geraldine/Flip Wilson, so why do we still need Madea?

    Perhaps the issue is not enough movies that depict a wide variety of experiences of African people?

    Funny how people hated on “The Color Purple” from back in the 1980s and most recently “Precious”, but the folks that hated on both these movies NEVER hate on the violence against women that actually happens IN REAL LIFE. So some of you that don’t like the violence in TCP or P, then please drop a check to your local domestic violence program, battered women’s shelter, child abuse prevention program AND/OR volunteer as such programs. AND BE SURE TO OFFER SOME REAL SUPPORT TO THE MANY MEN’S ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ALSO DO THIS WORK, TRYING TO TEACH MEN AND BOYS TO BE (BECOME) BETTER MEN!

  • AnothaLeftSista

    I’m old enough to remember Geraldine/Flip Wilson, so why do we still need Madea?

    Perhaps the issue is not enough movies that depict a wide variety of experiences of African people?

    Funny how people hated on “The Color Purple” from back in the 1980s and most recently “Precious”, but the folks that hated on both these movies NEVER hate on the violence against women that actually happens IN REAL LIFE. So some of you that don’t like the violence in TCP or P, then please drop a check to your local domestic violence program, battered women’s shelter, child abuse prevention program AND/OR volunteer as such programs. AND BE SURE TO OFFER SOME REAL SUPPORT TO THE MANY MEN’S ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ALSO DO THIS WORK, TRYING TO TEACH MEN AND BOYS TO BE (BECOME) BETTER MEN!

  • I TRULY THINK THAT IT IS SAD THAT AS BLACK PEOPLE WE TEAR EACH OTHER DOWN INSTEAD OF LIFTING THEM UP…INSTEAD OF PATTING EACH OTHER ON THE BACK THERE’S NEGATIVITY COMING OUT OF OUR MOUTHS…THERE’S LESSONS LEARN FROM EVERYONE’S MOVIES(SPIKE LEE AND TYLER PERRY) THEY HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF EXPRESSING IT..PRECIOUS WAS AN SERIOUS ISSUE AMONG THE BLACK COMMUNITY AS WELL AS FOR COLORED GIRLS…TAKE TIME TO SUPPORT OUR BLACK ACTORS, WRITERS, FILM MAKERS AND PRODUCERS INSTEAD OF TEARING THEM DOWN…..

  • I TRULY THINK THAT IT IS SAD THAT AS BLACK PEOPLE WE TEAR EACH OTHER DOWN INSTEAD OF LIFTING THEM UP…INSTEAD OF PATTING EACH OTHER ON THE BACK THERE’S NEGATIVITY COMING OUT OF OUR MOUTHS…THERE’S LESSONS LEARN FROM EVERYONE’S MOVIES(SPIKE LEE AND TYLER PERRY) THEY HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS OF EXPRESSING IT..PRECIOUS WAS AN SERIOUS ISSUE AMONG THE BLACK COMMUNITY AS WELL AS FOR COLORED GIRLS…TAKE TIME TO SUPPORT OUR BLACK ACTORS, WRITERS, FILM MAKERS AND PRODUCERS INSTEAD OF TEARING THEM DOWN…..

  • l boogie

    Wow most of you on Team Tyler have been Bamboozled and duked and lied to. Tyler and Oprah are their as pick yourseld up by ur bootstraps and you two can be a bilionaire spokes people for the American Dream. Wake up. I am so tired of this argument all over facebook twitter etc….. There are bigger things at work here that ARE DETRIMENTAL TO YOU!!!! You should care. Not Open Up Wide and ingest the bullshit.

  • l boogie

    Wow most of you on Team Tyler have been Bamboozled and duked and lied to. Tyler and Oprah are their as pick yourseld up by ur bootstraps and you two can be a bilionaire spokes people for the American Dream. Wake up. I am so tired of this argument all over facebook twitter etc….. There are bigger things at work here that ARE DETRIMENTAL TO YOU!!!! You should care. Not Open Up Wide and ingest the bullshit.

  • l boogie

    Wow most of you on Team Tyler have been Bamboozled and duked and lied to. Tyler and Oprah are their as pick your self up by ur bootstraps and you two can be a billionaire spokes people for the American Dream. Wake up. I am so tired of this argument all over facebook twitter etc….. There are bigger things at work here that ARE DETRIMENTAL TO YOU!!!! You should care. Not Open Up Wide and ingest the bullshit.

  • l boogie

    Wow most of you on Team Tyler have been Bamboozled and duked and lied to. Tyler and Oprah are their as pick your self up by ur bootstraps and you two can be a billionaire spokes people for the American Dream. Wake up. I am so tired of this argument all over facebook twitter etc….. There are bigger things at work here that ARE DETRIMENTAL TO YOU!!!! You should care. Not Open Up Wide and ingest the bullshit.

  • l boogie

    Also, stop turning this into “ohhhhh boo hooo, your all just haters and not positive” Thats CRAP. I dont eat fast food because I care what I put in to my body but that dosent mean Im gonna tell people that eat it that its ok for them to die and Ill be positive and reinforce something that its detrimental!!! Caring is criticizing! Got to church and pray for positivity all day but thats not even the issue. Giving a shit pisses people off. Thats what it does. Thats why my mom made me so mad as a teenager. But hey…. we can all sit in a circle and sing kumbaya all day but that really gets u know where. Done drink the water people!!!

  • l boogie

    Also, stop turning this into “ohhhhh boo hooo, your all just haters and not positive” Thats CRAP. I dont eat fast food because I care what I put in to my body but that dosent mean Im gonna tell people that eat it that its ok for them to die and Ill be positive and reinforce something that its detrimental!!! Caring is criticizing! Got to church and pray for positivity all day but thats not even the issue. Giving a shit pisses people off. Thats what it does. Thats why my mom made me so mad as a teenager. But hey…. we can all sit in a circle and sing kumbaya all day but that really gets u know where. Done drink the water people!!!

  • GulliverNoir

    My personal opinion is that there is room for enough genres of entertainment where, Spike & Tyler can exist. I’ve never heard Robert Redford or Clint Eastwood rippiing Johnny Knoxville for Jackass movies, I believe because they understand they have a genre and others exist as well. I’ve loved Spike’s works as long as I can remember but damn sometimes I want to laugh. I live the life socially relevance of Spike’s works. I also can’t phatom the idea that main stream America is sitting at home thinking,”yup that’s how ALL them coloreds act.” At the end of the day I can’t worry about if that’s how my family or manhood will be perceived. Nor do I expect any other mainstream cultural identity to speak for me. Overall, I wish that more people of color would take the opportunity to expose themselves to other dimensions of the Arts. Don’t sit and complain about Tyler plays but have never been to August Wilson. Expand your horizons & support your people.

  • GulliverNoir

    My personal opinion is that there is room for enough genres of entertainment where, Spike & Tyler can exist. I’ve never heard Robert Redford or Clint Eastwood rippiing Johnny Knoxville for Jackass movies, I believe because they understand they have a genre and others exist as well. I’ve loved Spike’s works as long as I can remember but damn sometimes I want to laugh. I live the life socially relevance of Spike’s works. I also can’t phatom the idea that main stream America is sitting at home thinking,”yup that’s how ALL them coloreds act.” At the end of the day I can’t worry about if that’s how my family or manhood will be perceived. Nor do I expect any other mainstream cultural identity to speak for me. Overall, I wish that more people of color would take the opportunity to expose themselves to other dimensions of the Arts. Don’t sit and complain about Tyler plays but have never been to August Wilson. Expand your horizons & support your people.

  • nikki

    Everyone actor,singer,writer etc has their own way of giving lessons and how they do it.. If Tyler wants to put on a dress and be that role of the true great grandmothers n grandmothers to give the advice than let him. I have nothing against Spike Lee I love alot of his movies. But it kills me to see people of the same race put down their own people when they are just doing what they love. The people love Tyler, yes alot of his movies may seem the same in ways but their are differences. I say give him his props, he made it big from having nothing. Its like ppl expect him to just change who he is just because he became famous. Precious is a good movie, about how alot of young black girls in the hood do live or have had to live and for color girls i love how express what alot of women deal with or the kind of life they have, honestly you have the women who make it big in the corp world and act all high n mighty, than theres the one who is so in love with a man but he does her wrong, than u have the one who is missing that father like figure so sex weith men n caring less about them is away to get that(strange as it sounds), the one who wants her family to work out but the husband is having personal issues n so on.. All im saying just congratulate the man for doing good n keep it moving.

  • nikki

    Everyone actor,singer,writer etc has their own way of giving lessons and how they do it.. If Tyler wants to put on a dress and be that role of the true great grandmothers n grandmothers to give the advice than let him. I have nothing against Spike Lee I love alot of his movies. But it kills me to see people of the same race put down their own people when they are just doing what they love. The people love Tyler, yes alot of his movies may seem the same in ways but their are differences. I say give him his props, he made it big from having nothing. Its like ppl expect him to just change who he is just because he became famous. Precious is a good movie, about how alot of young black girls in the hood do live or have had to live and for color girls i love how express what alot of women deal with or the kind of life they have, honestly you have the women who make it big in the corp world and act all high n mighty, than theres the one who is so in love with a man but he does her wrong, than u have the one who is missing that father like figure so sex weith men n caring less about them is away to get that(strange as it sounds), the one who wants her family to work out but the husband is having personal issues n so on.. All im saying just congratulate the man for doing good n keep it moving.

  • FDS

    The reason black men don’t like Tyler Perry is because he shows them in a negative light, dogging out women. Plus he almost worth as much as Oprah, and he is even bigger in Hollywood that Denzel Washington. But Denzel don’t need him and Tyler don’t need Washington, that the reason why they won’t work together….

  • FDS

    The reason black men don’t like Tyler Perry is because he shows them in a negative light, dogging out women. Plus he almost worth as much as Oprah, and he is even bigger in Hollywood that Denzel Washington. But Denzel don’t need him and Tyler don’t need Washington, that the reason why they won’t work together….

  • Dude, Tyler Perry is a business man. He sells a product, you buy it, he sells more…until maybe someday when you stop buying it.

    If the people that flock to see his films wanted to face real life issues, they’d probably go see a documentary or something.

    Not everyone can pull off a Spike Lee, but he shouldn’t begrudge those who follow their own paths or remain true to their brands, however trivial he may deem them.

    Spike inspires black people by showing that you can be creative and you can speak up about, and address controversial issues without an untimely end to your career.

    Tyler inspires black people by showing that you can be successful…period.

    Bottom line: The black community needs both Spike and Tyler to be successful…just the way Michael Jackson needed to be successful.

  • Dude, Tyler Perry is a business man. He sells a product, you buy it, he sells more…until maybe someday when you stop buying it.

    If the people that flock to see his films wanted to face real life issues, they’d probably go see a documentary or something.

    Not everyone can pull off a Spike Lee, but he shouldn’t begrudge those who follow their own paths or remain true to their brands, however trivial he may deem them.

    Spike inspires black people by showing that you can be creative and you can speak up about, and address controversial issues without an untimely end to your career.

    Tyler inspires black people by showing that you can be successful…period.

    Bottom line: The black community needs both Spike and Tyler to be successful…just the way Michael Jackson needed to be successful.

  • E-Dub

    The worst part is that I have yet to laugh in any Tyler Perry movie.

  • E-Dub

    The worst part is that I have yet to laugh in any Tyler Perry movie.

  • Ms.KiaB

    It’s step up this way!!! Intentionally exploiting black people has been THE ONLY WAY…. since this Synagogue of Satan has ALLOWED Blacks in “their” industry….Do any of you know your history?? Are you blind? Deaf? Or Dumb? Let’s talk FACTS here…..what are the odds of negative black depictions on the Big Screen vs. the positive depictions? There FAR MORE negative depictions, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN!!! 1postive film (The Great Debaters) never gets the advertising it deserves…. seen with every commercial run…..on buses and billboards….but you had to see Monster’s Ball when it came out….this is BS!!!!! I’m sooo SICK OF CLOWNS!!!! We are FAR MORE than what’s CONSTANTLY DEPICTED of US as a PEOPLE!!!! Your soo brainwashed into thinking we always gotta “go along to get along”!!! WAKE THE F@&! UP!!!! WILLIE LYNCH LIVES!!!!

  • Ms.KiaB

    It’s step up this way!!! Intentionally exploiting black people has been THE ONLY WAY…. since this Synagogue of Satan has ALLOWED Blacks in “their” industry….Do any of you know your history?? Are you blind? Deaf? Or Dumb? Let’s talk FACTS here…..what are the odds of negative black depictions on the Big Screen vs. the positive depictions? There FAR MORE negative depictions, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN!!! 1postive film (The Great Debaters) never gets the advertising it deserves…. seen with every commercial run…..on buses and billboards….but you had to see Monster’s Ball when it came out….this is BS!!!!! I’m sooo SICK OF CLOWNS!!!! We are FAR MORE than what’s CONSTANTLY DEPICTED of US as a PEOPLE!!!! Your soo brainwashed into thinking we always gotta “go along to get along”!!! WAKE THE F@&! UP!!!! WILLIE LYNCH LIVES!!!!

  • Candace B

    It matters incomprehensibly what is portrayed about us in our own movies and in movies about us produced by non-blacks. The reality is we don’t have a larger, healthier, substantive piece of the Hollywood pie. If for nothing else, the socialization of our children depends on the images we barter with in the economy of ideas. I enjoy a good values driven lesson in any kind of movie, but at some point we have to demand that those lessons don’t come by way of worn out stereotypes and contrived story lines that ALWAYS give us the same villain and the same heroine. Not enough of our young, urban, black mothers are reading August Wilson, so how will they know to take their kids to see “Fences” when the only black play company in town is presenting it? Every black artist in a high place who can effect real change would do well to really consider that. If you are fortunate enough to gain the attention of the young, black and urban audience, YOU GOT POWER AND YOU SHOULD USE THAT POWER TO EXPOSE THEM TO THE EVOLUTION OF THE BLACK MIND AND THE COLLECTIVE BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS.

  • Candace B

    It matters incomprehensibly what is portrayed about us in our own movies and in movies about us produced by non-blacks. The reality is we don’t have a larger, healthier, substantive piece of the Hollywood pie. If for nothing else, the socialization of our children depends on the images we barter with in the economy of ideas. I enjoy a good values driven lesson in any kind of movie, but at some point we have to demand that those lessons don’t come by way of worn out stereotypes and contrived story lines that ALWAYS give us the same villain and the same heroine. Not enough of our young, urban, black mothers are reading August Wilson, so how will they know to take their kids to see “Fences” when the only black play company in town is presenting it? Every black artist in a high place who can effect real change would do well to really consider that. If you are fortunate enough to gain the attention of the young, black and urban audience, YOU GOT POWER AND YOU SHOULD USE THAT POWER TO EXPOSE THEM TO THE EVOLUTION OF THE BLACK MIND AND THE COLLECTIVE BLACK CONSCIOUSNESS.

  • GGWraps, Inc

    I think too many people get hating about the most foolish things. Everybody knows that there are intelligent black people, so no one needs to hate on Tyler Perry and his plays and movies. He brings some laughter & lightheartedness into this world of crime ridden streets, hate, horrific events. His work makes me laugh again like Sanford & Son did years ago. I never looked down on black people because of Sanford & Son or Tyler Perry it brought some laughter to the day. People should worry more about those reality shows which affect the minds of those who watch them into thinking that fighting,clawing and sleeping with multiple men including your friend’s man is ok…Snookyfied !! I think Spike Lee is just jealous over Tyler’s success and instead of slamming him needs to appalled his accomplishments. SHOUTS OUT TO TYLER PERRY !! KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO !!

  • GGWraps, Inc

    I think too many people get hating about the most foolish things. Everybody knows that there are intelligent black people, so no one needs to hate on Tyler Perry and his plays and movies. He brings some laughter & lightheartedness into this world of crime ridden streets, hate, horrific events. His work makes me laugh again like Sanford & Son did years ago. I never looked down on black people because of Sanford & Son or Tyler Perry it brought some laughter to the day. People should worry more about those reality shows which affect the minds of those who watch them into thinking that fighting,clawing and sleeping with multiple men including your friend’s man is ok…Snookyfied !! I think Spike Lee is just jealous over Tyler’s success and instead of slamming him needs to appalled his accomplishments. SHOUTS OUT TO TYLER PERRY !! KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO !!

  • Imso_NewOrleans

    I have read most of the posts on each side. There are very strong opinions either way. Yes, I’ve watched a Madea film and laughed. Yes, I’ve watched a Spike Lee film that was thought-provoking. My problem with Tyler Perry is his seemingly power-hungry mentality. He hires black actors. That’s great. I feel he needs to give other black filmmakers a chance with more diversity in topics. To whom much is given, much is required.

    I will say this if we continuously tear a person down, we will never get him/her on our side. Positive words are healing. Like he did his father, Tyler Perry will drown out what he views as negative even if it’s constructive criticism. By using the same media that tears us down (via news, images, etc) everyday, Spike Lee will never get his point across. Truly being a brother is talking to that brother out of love.

  • Imso_NewOrleans

    I have read most of the posts on each side. There are very strong opinions either way. Yes, I’ve watched a Madea film and laughed. Yes, I’ve watched a Spike Lee film that was thought-provoking. My problem with Tyler Perry is his seemingly power-hungry mentality. He hires black actors. That’s great. I feel he needs to give other black filmmakers a chance with more diversity in topics. To whom much is given, much is required.

    I will say this if we continuously tear a person down, we will never get him/her on our side. Positive words are healing. Like he did his father, Tyler Perry will drown out what he views as negative even if it’s constructive criticism. By using the same media that tears us down (via news, images, etc) everyday, Spike Lee will never get his point across. Truly being a brother is talking to that brother out of love.

  • Gregory

    Ur article was pretty good but for me U ruined it by suggesting that readers listen to a song U and someone else recorded. This becomes nothing but a publicity stunt to get ppl to listen to what U R attempting to sell. Not only will I not listen to the song I will not even entertain any points in Ur article as serious. Ur actions amount to an attempt to flim flam people. Carl Weston: This is how I step to folk in the entertainment business who promotes junk!

  • Gregory

    Ur article was pretty good but for me U ruined it by suggesting that readers listen to a song U and someone else recorded. This becomes nothing but a publicity stunt to get ppl to listen to what U R attempting to sell. Not only will I not listen to the song I will not even entertain any points in Ur article as serious. Ur actions amount to an attempt to flim flam people. Carl Weston: This is how I step to folk in the entertainment business who promotes junk!

  • Chris

    I love Spike and everybody has their opinion, but I can see a bit of jealousy on his part. He has his lane for movies and Tyler has his. Spike’s movies haven’t been smashes at the box office as of late, and then someone asks him how he feel…s about Tyler who is killing the box office and it’s only natural to express his displeasure for what he is doing and how he did it because it doesn’t fit his mold. I can do without the dressing in Drag and talking ebonics, but would include Big Momma, Retribusha, not to mention the countless other cats we all love that dressed in drag. So I guess it’s either dress in drag, or let Monique play all the parts. The song didn’t help the point, nor did this have anything to do with Denzel. None of Tylers movies fit his character, not to mention most of Tylers movies have actors we are unfamiliar with. And explain to me how She Hate Me should make me feel like a proud black man.

  • Chris

    I love Spike and everybody has their opinion, but I can see a bit of jealousy on his part. He has his lane for movies and Tyler has his. Spike’s movies haven’t been smashes at the box office as of late, and then someone asks him how he feel…s about Tyler who is killing the box office and it’s only natural to express his displeasure for what he is doing and how he did it because it doesn’t fit his mold. I can do without the dressing in Drag and talking ebonics, but would include Big Momma, Retribusha, not to mention the countless other cats we all love that dressed in drag. So I guess it’s either dress in drag, or let Monique play all the parts. The song didn’t help the point, nor did this have anything to do with Denzel. None of Tylers movies fit his character, not to mention most of Tylers movies have actors we are unfamiliar with. And explain to me how She Hate Me should make me feel like a proud black man.

  • cindy

    It is sad to me that in this day and time we as black people continue to carry on that slave mentality of field and house blank. These are all talented black men in their own right No I didn’t like all of Spike’s movies but I received the messages that he was portraying. Yes I like Tyler’s because they are funny. what he says, not what he looks, like Drag seems to be the norm now. Precious was the worst for me I didn’t like it at all but I understood the message. I love Denzel and I loved him in Training Day but look who he had to become oh so out of his character but in the end they all made money for what they do. Everyone is entitled to their opinion how about everyone give some support to each other that’s not what are old generation slaves stood and was killed for they prayed, sang and worked together don’t you all think its time for us to do that for each other black people huh?

  • cindy

    It is sad to me that in this day and time we as black people continue to carry on that slave mentality of field and house blank. These are all talented black men in their own right No I didn’t like all of Spike’s movies but I received the messages that he was portraying. Yes I like Tyler’s because they are funny. what he says, not what he looks, like Drag seems to be the norm now. Precious was the worst for me I didn’t like it at all but I understood the message. I love Denzel and I loved him in Training Day but look who he had to become oh so out of his character but in the end they all made money for what they do. Everyone is entitled to their opinion how about everyone give some support to each other that’s not what are old generation slaves stood and was killed for they prayed, sang and worked together don’t you all think its time for us to do that for each other black people huh?

  • All of you black people and some white who think Spike Lee is hating on Tyler Perry. Think about this? How many Dark skinned black males are good guys in his moives. I mean hard working,god loving,family men. One, maybe! Oh and as for his little TV show. House of Payne and Meet the Browns. It’s the new Amos and Andy. Spike Lee is still the best truth teller about black life, and life over all. Nuff said. Sho Nuff!

  • All of you black people and some white who think Spike Lee is hating on Tyler Perry. Think about this? How many Dark skinned black males are good guys in his moives. I mean hard working,god loving,family men. One, maybe! Oh and as for his little TV show. House of Payne and Meet the Browns. It’s the new Amos and Andy. Spike Lee is still the best truth teller about black life, and life over all. Nuff said. Sho Nuff!

  • Slick

    Black, White I mean i understand what you guys are talking about fully, but I just think it makes us look even dumber by every time we hit ah steping stone in life we have to boost it by saying this was made by a black guy. Like I get it lets be proud that certain things were created by blacks but drop it.. Im tired of hearing about a movie and if the director is black thats the first thing that comes out of people mouths. But if a white person say ” yea that classic was made by a white guy we look at them side ways..” Black and white is so played out we already established that obviously we can do the same thing as any other race. Lets stop boosting about it.. Be proud but drop the skin color and stop categorizing the movies. Blacks only play criminals Obviously you never seen any of Will Smith movies. Im just saying that was there fight back in the day their is a new fight going on and am afraid that most people are going to get left behind because there so far in the past.

  • Slick

    Black, White I mean i understand what you guys are talking about fully, but I just think it makes us look even dumber by every time we hit ah steping stone in life we have to boost it by saying this was made by a black guy. Like I get it lets be proud that certain things were created by blacks but drop it.. Im tired of hearing about a movie and if the director is black thats the first thing that comes out of people mouths. But if a white person say ” yea that classic was made by a white guy we look at them side ways..” Black and white is so played out we already established that obviously we can do the same thing as any other race. Lets stop boosting about it.. Be proud but drop the skin color and stop categorizing the movies. Blacks only play criminals Obviously you never seen any of Will Smith movies. Im just saying that was there fight back in the day their is a new fight going on and am afraid that most people are going to get left behind because there so far in the past.

  • AK

    Can we all get along….

  • AK

    Can we all get along….

  • Tee

    What I’m sick of is balck folks tearing each other down. I love both guys. I’ve seen all of Spike’s films and most of Perry’s. Do I think sometimes Perry can tone down some of the stuff, sure. But, if we can’t laugh at ourselves and do an introspective of ourselves, how can we become a better people? Spike has made some buffonish stuff as well–maybe through satire, but buffonary nonetheless.

    Spike could have called up Perry and said hey man can we talk? I’m concerned about some of the things you’re doing? How can we get this money and not make ourselves look stupid doing it. That’s a man. Not using THE MAN to pull down another brother.

    Spike can’t even get the media to talk to him unless he’s downgrading someone.

    Also, for you brothers who say that the Color Purple, Precious, and Colored Girls bash brothers, where is your outrage for the rappers who depict our sisters as whores, baby-mamas (not even worthy to marry), strippers, and any other low-down thing you can think of?

    Unfortunately, the scenes depicted in those movies have happened in one way or fashion. Just look at the news today where several (more than 10) brothers raped a child in Houston, Texas? Where is your damned outrage for that??

    Spike has girls, how come he has never spoken out about THAT??

    I love my brothers but y’all get on my effing nerves with some of ths BS.

    The main Mofo’s walking down the street with Becky.

  • Tee

    What I’m sick of is balck folks tearing each other down. I love both guys. I’ve seen all of Spike’s films and most of Perry’s. Do I think sometimes Perry can tone down some of the stuff, sure. But, if we can’t laugh at ourselves and do an introspective of ourselves, how can we become a better people? Spike has made some buffonish stuff as well–maybe through satire, but buffonary nonetheless.

    Spike could have called up Perry and said hey man can we talk? I’m concerned about some of the things you’re doing? How can we get this money and not make ourselves look stupid doing it. That’s a man. Not using THE MAN to pull down another brother.

    Spike can’t even get the media to talk to him unless he’s downgrading someone.

    Also, for you brothers who say that the Color Purple, Precious, and Colored Girls bash brothers, where is your outrage for the rappers who depict our sisters as whores, baby-mamas (not even worthy to marry), strippers, and any other low-down thing you can think of?

    Unfortunately, the scenes depicted in those movies have happened in one way or fashion. Just look at the news today where several (more than 10) brothers raped a child in Houston, Texas? Where is your damned outrage for that??

    Spike has girls, how come he has never spoken out about THAT??

    I love my brothers but y’all get on my effing nerves with some of ths BS.

    The main Mofo’s walking down the street with Becky.

  • Tee

    sorry about the typos– I am pissed…

  • Tee

    sorry about the typos– I am pissed…

  • bronxqueen

    They are just movies people! Calm down. Black people and white people are depicted in various ways in Hollywood. If you think that some of those depictions are untrue, then go to the the hood, the back woods of the South or in any upperclass neighborhood in the country. Wake up and see what’s going on in America. Don’t fault the guy for telling the story. Hey…. I’m just saying.

  • bronxqueen

    They are just movies people! Calm down. Black people and white people are depicted in various ways in Hollywood. If you think that some of those depictions are untrue, then go to the the hood, the back woods of the South or in any upperclass neighborhood in the country. Wake up and see what’s going on in America. Don’t fault the guy for telling the story. Hey…. I’m just saying.

  • ktm

    I truly agree with many commentators. Although I am not a big fan of Tyler Perry, he is still our brother who is providing entertainment. I am not a big fan of Spike Lee; however, he brings a different type of depiction of black entertainment. As our Brother Smokey Robinson said, “you will never see the white people picking the Beverly Hillbillies or South Park. Why is it necessary for us to picket our brothers. If you do not like the movie don’t watch it. I for one will not watch the Boondocks; however, I have many of my friends and colleagues who like it. This is not the time. Way to go Tyler Perry and way to go Spike Lee!

  • ktm

    I truly agree with many commentators. Although I am not a big fan of Tyler Perry, he is still our brother who is providing entertainment. I am not a big fan of Spike Lee; however, he brings a different type of depiction of black entertainment. As our Brother Smokey Robinson said, “you will never see the white people picking the Beverly Hillbillies or South Park. Why is it necessary for us to picket our brothers. If you do not like the movie don’t watch it. I for one will not watch the Boondocks; however, I have many of my friends and colleagues who like it. This is not the time. Way to go Tyler Perry and way to go Spike Lee!

  • jasiri x

    So if I criticize let’s say Waka Flocka’s or Lil Wayne’s music for negatively portraying black people and calling black woman out of their name, am I tearing them down or speaking the truth?

  • jasiri x

    So if I criticize let’s say Waka Flocka’s or Lil Wayne’s music for negatively portraying black people and calling black woman out of their name, am I tearing them down or speaking the truth?

  • It’s sad that Denzel would go so far and be that judge mental. I just read the Willie lench letter, and that one white man still exist today in black america . Shit like this will never bring the black man together. Denzel what the hell are you doing with all that money you got. Hell I need a loan to get my sandwhich shop of the ground. Cowboy Style Philly’s in Arlington tx. or cowboystylephillys.com. We need help each other not keep putting our knees a nigga back. Stop it Stop it you rich people forget were you come from and thats sad.. I wish I could have a voice that people listen too. We still don’t have banks , food store, the black man is in worse shape today than in slavery !!!!

  • It’s sad that Denzel would go so far and be that judge mental. I just read the Willie lench letter, and that one white man still exist today in black america . Shit like this will never bring the black man together. Denzel what the hell are you doing with all that money you got. Hell I need a loan to get my sandwhich shop of the ground. Cowboy Style Philly’s in Arlington tx. or cowboystylephillys.com. We need help each other not keep putting our knees a nigga back. Stop it Stop it you rich people forget were you come from and thats sad.. I wish I could have a voice that people listen too. We still don’t have banks , food store, the black man is in worse shape today than in slavery !!!!

  • Mimi

    We need to learn to respect other people’s decicions. Especially the ones who do not harm any body! If you want to complain abour something, complain about the stereotypes in the music industry, or all the white fairytale romantic comedy’s that portrait reality to a point where we all think alike. I prefer a Tyler Perry movie to all that shit, like stereotyped tv advertisements, runways with mostly white supermodels and history telling that leave the black man out! Everybody knows it’s entertainment, and there are different types and sorts of entertainment. Taking all that into account… I’m glad Denzel will not play in a TP movie, he would sooooo kill the humour in the movie!! HAhahaahahahahahahahahaha

  • Mimi

    We need to learn to respect other people’s decicions. Especially the ones who do not harm any body! If you want to complain abour something, complain about the stereotypes in the music industry, or all the white fairytale romantic comedy’s that portrait reality to a point where we all think alike. I prefer a Tyler Perry movie to all that shit, like stereotyped tv advertisements, runways with mostly white supermodels and history telling that leave the black man out! Everybody knows it’s entertainment, and there are different types and sorts of entertainment. Taking all that into account… I’m glad Denzel will not play in a TP movie, he would sooooo kill the humour in the movie!! HAhahaahahahahahahahahaha

  • Ania

    Does anyone know if Spike Lee ever had a private conversation with Tyler Perry . . . I was raised to never air dirty laundry in front of white folks. I don’t understand the point of publicly bickering about this issue, I really don’t. Even if Tyler was an ass and didn’t want to take direction from Spike Lee, I don’t see the point. Crackers gonna be crackers whether we agree on this stuff or not.
    I would have a hard time believing that Spike Lee’s movie changed one rednecks life for the better. Frankly, I would have a hard time believing that his movie changed one mean and ignorant black person’s life. Most often, the people who “get it” are already of a certain mindset.
    If it’s about bringing the masses, I would love to see Spike Lee find a way to work with this man to try shift the mindset of those folks who ain’t in the amen choir. As one who will be an elder of generations, I – we cannot continue to bash those who follow, we got to be willing to truly teach and bring them closer to truth.

  • Ania

    Does anyone know if Spike Lee ever had a private conversation with Tyler Perry . . . I was raised to never air dirty laundry in front of white folks. I don’t understand the point of publicly bickering about this issue, I really don’t. Even if Tyler was an ass and didn’t want to take direction from Spike Lee, I don’t see the point. Crackers gonna be crackers whether we agree on this stuff or not.
    I would have a hard time believing that Spike Lee’s movie changed one rednecks life for the better. Frankly, I would have a hard time believing that his movie changed one mean and ignorant black person’s life. Most often, the people who “get it” are already of a certain mindset.
    If it’s about bringing the masses, I would love to see Spike Lee find a way to work with this man to try shift the mindset of those folks who ain’t in the amen choir. As one who will be an elder of generations, I – we cannot continue to bash those who follow, we got to be willing to truly teach and bring them closer to truth.

  • Francena

    Eye roll. Oh I’m sorry…was that too stereotypical. I enjoy both producer’s movies. It is sad that since Spike is doing NOTHIING at this time, he has to bash the man who is. White people don’t move me. If we are still of the mindset that we should “Hush up least Massa here/see us”….then we really haven’t grown at all. Still scared of what white people think or say? Really? Wow. I like Tyler’s plays and I like his movies. I dare anyone to judge that I am dumb or uneducated because I do. His movies do NOT remotely bash black men. Black men are so NOT the issue in most of his movies. The message is for women, regardless of what they go through, to accept responsibility for the parts WE play in our own life stories and MOVE ON. Look back at School Daze and tell me it wasn’t “stereotypical”. FOH. Spike is no mesiah and neither is Tyler. Difference is? Tyler isn’t trying to be.

  • Francena

    Eye roll. Oh I’m sorry…was that too stereotypical. I enjoy both producer’s movies. It is sad that since Spike is doing NOTHIING at this time, he has to bash the man who is. White people don’t move me. If we are still of the mindset that we should “Hush up least Massa here/see us”….then we really haven’t grown at all. Still scared of what white people think or say? Really? Wow. I like Tyler’s plays and I like his movies. I dare anyone to judge that I am dumb or uneducated because I do. His movies do NOT remotely bash black men. Black men are so NOT the issue in most of his movies. The message is for women, regardless of what they go through, to accept responsibility for the parts WE play in our own life stories and MOVE ON. Look back at School Daze and tell me it wasn’t “stereotypical”. FOH. Spike is no mesiah and neither is Tyler. Difference is? Tyler isn’t trying to be.

  • Dejon The Deacon Jernagin

    Man real talk I’ve said this from the first movie: But black folks have to open up there mind because we flock to movies for anything!

  • Dejon The Deacon Jernagin

    Man real talk I’ve said this from the first movie: But black folks have to open up there mind because we flock to movies for anything!

  • HandsomeBlackCowboyBrett1953

    I understand Tyler Perry is in the running to produce and/or direct the centennial remake of “Birth Of A Nation”
    in 2015.Seeing he’s such a coon and Uncle Tom,it shouldn’t be hard for him to attempt to round up creepy-
    looking black men he believes would make credible rapists and pay them enough money to cast aside their pride,while telling them they must ALWAYS support a brotha’s achieve-
    ments,EVEN when they re-inforce the already-immutable anti-black-male stereotypes.(I hear Perry’s crappy movies are bank-rolled by the Tea Party,KKK,Re-“Thuglicans” and other crypto-fascist bigotss.
    Anyway,not only wouldn’t Denzel Wshington appear in any of Perry’s garbage,as a leading man handsome-even at 57-58 July 6,black Canadian lad,NOR WOULD I-because Perry is intimidated by great-looking,genius-level-brainy-my IQ is between 147-160-non-“urban” black men,as of course,are nearly ALL white Hollywood directors and producers.

  • HandsomeBlackCowboyBrett1953

    I understand Tyler Perry is in the running to produce and/or direct the centennial remake of “Birth Of A Nation”
    in 2015.Seeing he’s such a coon and Uncle Tom,it shouldn’t be hard for him to attempt to round up creepy-
    looking black men he believes would make credible rapists and pay them enough money to cast aside their pride,while telling them they must ALWAYS support a brotha’s achieve-
    ments,EVEN when they re-inforce the already-immutable anti-black-male stereotypes.(I hear Perry’s crappy movies are bank-rolled by the Tea Party,KKK,Re-“Thuglicans” and other crypto-fascist bigotss.
    Anyway,not only wouldn’t Denzel Wshington appear in any of Perry’s garbage,as a leading man handsome-even at 57-58 July 6,black Canadian lad,NOR WOULD I-because Perry is intimidated by great-looking,genius-level-brainy-my IQ is between 147-160-non-“urban” black men,as of course,are nearly ALL white Hollywood directors and producers.

  • HandsomeBlackCowboyBrett1953

    Sean Mathis,not only do you have about a 65 IQ-AND I’M BEING KIND!!!for you to compare today’s black male situation with that of the 1931,1951,1971 or 1991 black man is too reprehensible for even cursory discussion.
    By the way,Seannie M.,the Freedom Riders who helped pave the way for today’s myriad black professional men with their sit-ins at racially proscribed businesses beginning in ’61,may visit your city.I suggest you meet them for some prosective about the black male condition in 2011 as opposed to 50 years earlier.

  • HandsomeBlackCowboyBrett1953

    Sean Mathis,not only do you have about a 65 IQ-AND I’M BEING KIND!!!for you to compare today’s black male situation with that of the 1931,1951,1971 or 1991 black man is too reprehensible for even cursory discussion.
    By the way,Seannie M.,the Freedom Riders who helped pave the way for today’s myriad black professional men with their sit-ins at racially proscribed businesses beginning in ’61,may visit your city.I suggest you meet them for some prosective about the black male condition in 2011 as opposed to 50 years earlier.

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  • Orlando coombs

    That’s bullshit. Tyler Perry makes great movies. I don’t believe in cross dressing or acting feminine nor coonery either.Tyler Perry has many good positive movies like “Daddy’s Little Girls”, “Madea’s Big Happy Family”, ” Madea’s Family Reunion”, ” Madea Goes to Jail”, “Diary of a Mad Black Woman”, ” and “Why did I Get Married” One and Two. The cross dressing I don’t get with. Spike Lee is a hater cause he ain’t what’s hot right now. But Tyler Perry is the shiznit right about now. Forget them haters.