Yo Momma in Black FACE: As seen by certain White Gays
Do you think of your momma or grandma as an “inarticulate black welfare mother with 19 children?” If not you might be surprised to learn that certain–largely white–gays are paying big bucks to have one of their own dress up in drag and black-face as Shirley Q. Liquor, to be the MAMMY they never had but always wanted. What you are about to see is real and apparently this guy makes 75K—to—90k a year off of racism, classism and sexism—masked as satire—of an alleged childhood beloved black nanny.
Do you know about Shirley Q. Liquor and the larger issues of racism, misogyny and classism so rampant in Boystown (and other gay-borhoods), and the discussion of who belonged in the neighborhood and on the streets? The ‘white [gay] boy’ that makes fun of poor black women and their plights — Charles Knipp, aka Shirley Q. Liquor — was set to perform at club Hydrate in Chicago on Memorial weekend. Due to a group of people — concerned citizens — the show at Hydrate was canceled. Unfortunately, Shirley Q. Liquor is a national comedian.
Watching the above clip, I got sick to my stomach, but what about you? Some may be ambivalent or others may even find it funny, which is interesting to note, but alright you started there; yet, you don’t have to stay there. Look at context clues, look at history, and look at who the audience most consists of in the clip; then look at who is requesting Shirley Q. Liquor to perform and the venue in which he performs his black-face. Now, take it all in and let’s start a conversation together about racism, classism, and the particular brand of a largely—white—gay misogyny, while acknowledging the purposed-exclusion of others who are deemed “outsiders” from the neighborhood.
“Wealthy white people are starting to hire me for private parties, where I play the raisin in a bowl of oatmeal. From the way they interact with me, I can see that my being there as Shirley makes them feel it’s acceptable to openly mock black people in a way they otherwise would not, and that does cause me to have second thoughts. If what I’m doing is truly hurtful, then I need to stop.” Charles Knipp…
Under normal circumstances the community is the fail safe that protects those vulnerable persons who are often overlooked or cast aside in some ‘quiet corner.’ But what happens when one purposely excludes, targets, and removes what might be voices of opposition? In Chicago’s Boystown neighborhood, we have different communities of people (and businesses) living (and operating) in an area that is socially—if not legally—understood as red-lined for a particular community of persons, namely LGBTQ people. With such a high concentration of marginalized folks, one would think that in this “haven of outcasts” there would be ‘tolerance,’ ‘acceptance,’ and all those other fuzzy, warm words that mean a “safe space.” Instead, what we find is overt racism, classism and yes, a particular kind of misogyny.
So in Boystown, the neighborhood on the North Side of Chicago, there are many tensions and competing interests. So you have the black youth from the South and West side, who are in need of a safe space and place where they can hangout without immediate fear of being attacked for being LGBTQ. You have Black, Latino, and White lesbians negotiating where (Chicago) “Dyke March” — a march started in DC because of the discrimination by gay men and straight society — should be in terms of neighborhoods in Chicago. Also, the looming cultural warfare and race-bias agreement between certain LGBTQ-centered businesses and venues, with a few of the largely white—presumed heterosexual—upper-to-middle class people moving into the neighborhood but LARGELY outside the community. Moreover, when you throw in the peculiar (in)visibility of the transgender communities within the larger Boystown neighborhood, we can begin to talk about the tactics used to exclude which are predicated on race, class and misogyny.
When many of these youth come to Boystown to escape the same-sex prejudices of their respective South—and West—side communities, many, largely, do not find a warm reception from the larger Boystown neighborhood. In fact, with the exception of the Center on Halsted and other organizations, who rely upon these youths’ attendance to stay in business, some members of the neighborhood (LGBTQ and presumed heterosexuals) have taken every legal and social avenue available to voice their frustration and desire to decrease the number of black and brown youths in their streets. Notice how a few vendors and neighborhood members have sought to expel those who do not ‘belong’ while being entertained by a white, gay guy gussied up in Black Face and drag. Now ask yourself why that is?
Sickening and eye-opening. Thanks for posting.
Sickening and eye-opening. Thanks for posting.
I say the following with sincere respect for the author:
The writer comes dangerously close here to indicting an entire community of people (gay white men of East Lake View) as perpetrators of racism, misogyny and classism, with one admittedly troubling example (in the form of “Shirley Q.”) and no other concrete evidence sited. I find it more helpful to name and target specific offensive or troubling words and actions, rather than moving to label another person–or group of people–as racist, misogynistic, or classist. Certainly, the concerns raised over this character, and her apparent popularity, are justified. I have no doubt there are other concrete examples, as well. By all means, let’s name and target those concrete examples for reform. But just as importantly, in doing so, let’s not commit the very same crime as that which we seek to condemn–unjust and unhelpful generalization. On the main point of the article–namely the problematic Ms. Shirley Q. Liquor–I found the quote from the character’s creator to be an encouraging opening. He is quoted as saying “If what I’m doing is truly hurtful, then I need to stop.” Yes, Mr. Knipp, I share your assessment: you need to stop. And if you mean what you say and you do stop, you will have gone a good distance toward correcting a mistake, and, in the process, you just might make the transformation from distasteful stereotype to admirable role model.
I say the following with sincere respect for the author:
The writer comes dangerously close here to indicting an entire community of people (gay white men of East Lake View) as perpetrators of racism, misogyny and classism, with one admittedly troubling example (in the form of “Shirley Q.”) and no other concrete evidence sited. I find it more helpful to name and target specific offensive or troubling words and actions, rather than moving to label another person–or group of people–as racist, misogynistic, or classist. Certainly, the concerns raised over this character, and her apparent popularity, are justified. I have no doubt there are other concrete examples, as well. By all means, let’s name and target those concrete examples for reform. But just as importantly, in doing so, let’s not commit the very same crime as that which we seek to condemn–unjust and unhelpful generalization. On the main point of the article–namely the problematic Ms. Shirley Q. Liquor–I found the quote from the character’s creator to be an encouraging opening. He is quoted as saying “If what I’m doing is truly hurtful, then I need to stop.” Yes, Mr. Knipp, I share your assessment: you need to stop. And if you mean what you say and you do stop, you will have gone a good distance toward correcting a mistake, and, in the process, you just might make the transformation from distasteful stereotype to admirable role model.
Thanks for posting Justin!
@Riley, I think Justin’s post refers to the culture of a neighborhood which has been constructed by the members of that community. It does not read as a sweeping generalization attacking hoards of people but instead questions why queer people of color are triple carded when a white person can walk through with barely a glance (my experiences). Why are Black youth being surveillanced and patrolled outside of the Center on Halsted simply because they are congregating outside of a space that is supposedly about building community? Who are the people doing that surveillancing and patrolling? All questions that are rarely answered or affirmed.
Thanks for posting Justin!
@Riley, I think Justin’s post refers to the culture of a neighborhood which has been constructed by the members of that community. It does not read as a sweeping generalization attacking hoards of people but instead questions why queer people of color are triple carded when a white person can walk through with barely a glance (my experiences). Why are Black youth being surveillanced and patrolled outside of the Center on Halsted simply because they are congregating outside of a space that is supposedly about building community? Who are the people doing that surveillancing and patrolling? All questions that are rarely answered or affirmed.
It’s a dam shame that a grown ass white man will pay money to want to be a black women. Hey this is all a trick of the mind. This color thing is another distraction you all have a place that your going one day and the truth is that your body can write a check that your soul cant cash. Understand who you are starts from inside out. You can dress up paint your face put a dress on and even pretend to be someone else but the truth is whats on the inside? Dont you understand you only get one shot at life if you CANT ALLOW YOUR FLESH TO KILL YOUR SOUL. You may think its about color but really when you die what color are your bones? STOP THE MADNESS
It’s a dam shame that a grown ass white man will pay money to want to be a black women. Hey this is all a trick of the mind. This color thing is another distraction you all have a place that your going one day and the truth is that your body can write a check that your soul cant cash. Understand who you are starts from inside out. You can dress up paint your face put a dress on and even pretend to be someone else but the truth is whats on the inside? Dont you understand you only get one shot at life if you CANT ALLOW YOUR FLESH TO KILL YOUR SOUL. You may think its about color but really when you die what color are your bones? STOP THE MADNESS
“The writer comes dangerously close here to indicting an entire community of people”
Um… not familiar with the geography, but IMHO a community which chooses blackface as entertainment – particularly this form – is in the process of indicting itself.
My own feelings about the offensiveness of this act aside, for someone to run an act like that and then raise the question that they “might be hurting someone” – especially preceded by the description of enabling white racism at private parties – comes off as deeply insincere. For crying out loud, donning blackface is a serious political, cultural and interpersonal act, and I for one wouldn’t expect to be able to ask the question “what, am I hurting someone here?” in a country with a history like America’s.
How in denial can you be? Freedom of speech is freedom to cause offence: if, as a performer, you can’t answer these questions then yes, you should stop. But it sounds to me from the quote like this man knows *exactly* the harm he’s causing.
I would note that if this was a predominately heterosexual white working class rural community the question of “indictment” would not arise – because of course, the same kind of classism inherent in the show tells us that “rednecks” are “racist” anyways. This kind of entertainment would make me think twice about *anyone*, and I really don’t think the author of this post is indicting anyone here.
That video speaks for itself.
“The writer comes dangerously close here to indicting an entire community of people”
Um… not familiar with the geography, but IMHO a community which chooses blackface as entertainment – particularly this form – is in the process of indicting itself.
My own feelings about the offensiveness of this act aside, for someone to run an act like that and then raise the question that they “might be hurting someone” – especially preceded by the description of enabling white racism at private parties – comes off as deeply insincere. For crying out loud, donning blackface is a serious political, cultural and interpersonal act, and I for one wouldn’t expect to be able to ask the question “what, am I hurting someone here?” in a country with a history like America’s.
How in denial can you be? Freedom of speech is freedom to cause offence: if, as a performer, you can’t answer these questions then yes, you should stop. But it sounds to me from the quote like this man knows *exactly* the harm he’s causing.
I would note that if this was a predominately heterosexual white working class rural community the question of “indictment” would not arise – because of course, the same kind of classism inherent in the show tells us that “rednecks” are “racist” anyways. This kind of entertainment would make me think twice about *anyone*, and I really don’t think the author of this post is indicting anyone here.
That video speaks for itself.
@Riley since you are willing to spend that much time and effort minimizing the acceptance of racism as entertainment, then maybe you need to stop too.
@Riley since you are willing to spend that much time and effort minimizing the acceptance of racism as entertainment, then maybe you need to stop too.
Chris Knapp has been asked to stop, told that it hurts, explained to that its racist for years!!
He’s a racist, priviliged white man who only cares about his fame and financial betterment. White people are in a renaissance of open racism and its tragic.
Chris Knapp has been asked to stop, told that it hurts, explained to that its racist for years!!
He’s a racist, priviliged white man who only cares about his fame and financial betterment. White people are in a renaissance of open racism and its tragic.
@ Riley, I want to extend to you a warm welcome and thanks for voicing your concerns. It was not my intent or desire to indict an entire group of people—white gay men in Boystown (I am that specific for a reason). Notice how I used pictures of white women with Shirley Q. Liquor. Also notice how in the clip there is a black man who is captured by the camera. Finally and most IMPORTANTLY, I tried to use well placed qualifiers to show that I was speaking of specific portions, segments, and sizable groups.
The problem here is that you are solely focusing on the “white gay men in East Lake View” and their collective role (or culpability) in having Shirley Q. Liquor performed. For me in addition to establishing blame, which is what you are asking me to focus on solely, I am trying to find the source of how it became feasible (read: thinkable) to bring Shirley Q. here to Chicago.
As a result, I am interested in talking about how the neighborhood (Boystown) businesses, residents and other dynamic tensions impact: 1) who are the people allowed to reside in and visit Boystown; 2)who is being catered to as the consumer in that Neighborhood; 3) what are the cost for the removal of potential voices of dissent? With answering these questions we start to get into the complexity of how people reach places where they find it permissible to pay for a modern day Minstrel show. Do you agree?
For instance, when Hydrate advertised for their Shirley Q. Liquor tickets on the biggest night of Boystown, IML (International Mister Leather) weekend, the business was counting on a predominately white crowd to pay the 30 bucks a ticket fee. How does a vendor situated within the confines of a space that proclaims itself a haven for sexual minorities find it appropriate or feels it will be lucrative to bring a racist and sexist show to its stage? Since you don’t buy my argument what is yours?
Moreover (to your claim of generalization), I focused on well documented issues that have persisted for a long while in Boystown. Finally, I welcome you to join us in our efforts to national boycott Shirley Q. Liquor. Also, I challenge you to dig deeper on your views of certain white gay (wo)men and really look at what motivate some to promote, consume and support racism, misogyny and classism.
@ Riley, I want to extend to you a warm welcome and thanks for voicing your concerns. It was not my intent or desire to indict an entire group of people—white gay men in Boystown (I am that specific for a reason). Notice how I used pictures of white women with Shirley Q. Liquor. Also notice how in the clip there is a black man who is captured by the camera. Finally and most IMPORTANTLY, I tried to use well placed qualifiers to show that I was speaking of specific portions, segments, and sizable groups.
The problem here is that you are solely focusing on the “white gay men in East Lake View” and their collective role (or culpability) in having Shirley Q. Liquor performed. For me in addition to establishing blame, which is what you are asking me to focus on solely, I am trying to find the source of how it became feasible (read: thinkable) to bring Shirley Q. here to Chicago.
As a result, I am interested in talking about how the neighborhood (Boystown) businesses, residents and other dynamic tensions impact: 1) who are the people allowed to reside in and visit Boystown; 2)who is being catered to as the consumer in that Neighborhood; 3) what are the cost for the removal of potential voices of dissent? With answering these questions we start to get into the complexity of how people reach places where they find it permissible to pay for a modern day Minstrel show. Do you agree?
For instance, when Hydrate advertised for their Shirley Q. Liquor tickets on the biggest night of Boystown, IML (International Mister Leather) weekend, the business was counting on a predominately white crowd to pay the 30 bucks a ticket fee. How does a vendor situated within the confines of a space that proclaims itself a haven for sexual minorities find it appropriate or feels it will be lucrative to bring a racist and sexist show to its stage? Since you don’t buy my argument what is yours?
Moreover (to your claim of generalization), I focused on well documented issues that have persisted for a long while in Boystown. Finally, I welcome you to join us in our efforts to national boycott Shirley Q. Liquor. Also, I challenge you to dig deeper on your views of certain white gay (wo)men and really look at what motivate some to promote, consume and support racism, misogyny and classism.
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…this article points out once again, that even those of us who understand what it feels like to be an “other” in our society, don’t always connect that experience to others who may be feeling the same way…
…that is a shame…and an opportunity for education and growth [for individuals and a community]. I hope this article is read as a wake up call and an opportunity to do better…than to be a rallying call for defensiveness…
…laughing at someone else’s expense has always seemed to be shallow humor…
…this article points out once again, that even those of us who understand what it feels like to be an “other” in our society, don’t always connect that experience to others who may be feeling the same way…
…that is a shame…and an opportunity for education and growth [for individuals and a community]. I hope this article is read as a wake up call and an opportunity to do better…than to be a rallying call for defensiveness…
…laughing at someone else’s expense has always seemed to be shallow humor…
great dialogue here, although it is a deep shame that we’re still having these kinds of conversations in the 21st century–apparently in a resurgence/backlash of nostalgia for a bygone era where everyone knew their places, and American presidents didn’t have African surnames. i wrote this poem for “Shirley Q” a few years ago:
DRESSING DOWN
to Shirley Q. Liquor
When you’re gay in Dixie,
You’re a clown of a desperate circus.
Sometimes the only way to be like daddy
is to hate like him—
hope your brothers laugh
instead of shoot,
wrap a confederate skirt around your waist.
You traded glamour for nasty tricks—
dethroning your mammy’s image for dollars
that will never cover so much debt,
unraveling years she lost
loving you for a living.
great dialogue here, although it is a deep shame that we’re still having these kinds of conversations in the 21st century–apparently in a resurgence/backlash of nostalgia for a bygone era where everyone knew their places, and American presidents didn’t have African surnames. i wrote this poem for “Shirley Q” a few years ago:
DRESSING DOWN
to Shirley Q. Liquor
When you’re gay in Dixie,
You’re a clown of a desperate circus.
Sometimes the only way to be like daddy
is to hate like him—
hope your brothers laugh
instead of shoot,
wrap a confederate skirt around your waist.
You traded glamour for nasty tricks—
dethroning your mammy’s image for dollars
that will never cover so much debt,
unraveling years she lost
loving you for a living.
She’s just not that funny. Wouldn’t that be enough to boycott her? QED
She’s just not that funny. Wouldn’t that be enough to boycott her? QED
@ Michael
I think it has to be a bit more pointed than you’re not funny but I agree boycotting her and making her patrons’ name available might be an added incentive for folks to stop ordering minstrel shows on the sly.
@ Michael
I think it has to be a bit more pointed than you’re not funny but I agree boycotting her and making her patrons’ name available might be an added incentive for folks to stop ordering minstrel shows on the sly.
@ Jonathan Fields,
Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention. I look forward to future collaborations, sir!
@ Verbal,
Thank you for your piercingly true statements! I definitely appreciated your comment!
@Vivian,
I was SO UPSET when I first saw this video. I had never heard of this type of show before my friends and community members told me of what was taking place. I hope that you will help us NATIONALLY BOYCOTTING his shows, his patrons venues and holding folks accountable.
@UseyourHead,
I agree with your critique.
@CHC,
I agree but it also his unabashed greed to make money off of mis-representing poor black women.
@ Jonathan Fields,
Thank you for bringing this issue to my attention. I look forward to future collaborations, sir!
@ Verbal,
Thank you for your piercingly true statements! I definitely appreciated your comment!
@Vivian,
I was SO UPSET when I first saw this video. I had never heard of this type of show before my friends and community members told me of what was taking place. I hope that you will help us NATIONALLY BOYCOTTING his shows, his patrons venues and holding folks accountable.
@UseyourHead,
I agree with your critique.
@CHC,
I agree but it also his unabashed greed to make money off of mis-representing poor black women.
At the risk of being ridiculous here goes, this is an individual who has, besides the CIA, Police groups, accused/alleged “snitches” and the like, has had entirely too much contact w/and/or/with the community of color (black, obviously). Cut him off, now. If possible, any and all access to personages of African heritage should be denied. Easy to say, difficult to do, but not impossible, we know who he is. It is unimportant that he has appeared before largely, reportedly “gay” audiences, he has performed a dismal, disappointing portrayal of black women. Let him not show his face in the “hood”, gay or not, he is certainly not welcome, and may doing so at his own risk.
At the risk of being ridiculous here goes, this is an individual who has, besides the CIA, Police groups, accused/alleged “snitches” and the like, has had entirely too much contact w/and/or/with the community of color (black, obviously). Cut him off, now. If possible, any and all access to personages of African heritage should be denied. Easy to say, difficult to do, but not impossible, we know who he is. It is unimportant that he has appeared before largely, reportedly “gay” audiences, he has performed a dismal, disappointing portrayal of black women. Let him not show his face in the “hood”, gay or not, he is certainly not welcome, and may doing so at his own risk.
@justin: “For instance, when Hydrate advertised for their Shirley Q. Liquor tickets on the biggest night of Boystown, IML (International Mister Leather) weekend, the business was counting on a predominately white crowd to pay the 30 bucks a ticket fee. How does a vendor situated within the confines of a space that proclaims itself a haven for sexual minorities find it appropriate or feels it will be lucrative to bring a racist and sexist show to its stage?”
First, I agree with this article wholeheartedly–Shirley Q. Liquor’s popularity is shameful. The African Americans in the audience need some serious education. But, I have a question about your quotation above. Hydrate is not–and never has been–a haven for sexual minorities. International Mr. Leather occurs at the Hyatt Hotel, in downtown Chicago. Many Chicago bars have special nights that tie in with IML, but please correct me if I’m wrong, IML did not sanction or support Shirley Q. Liquor….
@justin: “For instance, when Hydrate advertised for their Shirley Q. Liquor tickets on the biggest night of Boystown, IML (International Mister Leather) weekend, the business was counting on a predominately white crowd to pay the 30 bucks a ticket fee. How does a vendor situated within the confines of a space that proclaims itself a haven for sexual minorities find it appropriate or feels it will be lucrative to bring a racist and sexist show to its stage?”
First, I agree with this article wholeheartedly–Shirley Q. Liquor’s popularity is shameful. The African Americans in the audience need some serious education. But, I have a question about your quotation above. Hydrate is not–and never has been–a haven for sexual minorities. International Mr. Leather occurs at the Hyatt Hotel, in downtown Chicago. Many Chicago bars have special nights that tie in with IML, but please correct me if I’m wrong, IML did not sanction or support Shirley Q. Liquor….
It would probably help if RuPaul would stop giving him a permission slip for this act.
http://www.southerndecadence.net/shirley-q-liquor.htm
http://www.rupaul.com/news/2002/11/these-folks-is-just-plain-ignunt-last.shtml
It would probably help if RuPaul would stop giving him a permission slip for this act.
http://www.southerndecadence.net/shirley-q-liquor.htm
http://www.rupaul.com/news/2002/11/these-folks-is-just-plain-ignunt-last.shtml
What a load of crap.
Blacks are the most racist bunch. Its the trooof.
What a load of crap.
Blacks are the most racist bunch. Its the trooof.